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[mfoster7]

Hi folks. In Mark's AffiloBluePrint training material, he highly recommends the use of AMAutomation.com to spin and submit articles to relevant blogs and also to submit spun articles to article directories like ezinearticles.com and others.

During the training (and a couple of subsequent videos) he explains the concept behind this and how to actually do so.

However, in the training material there is no discussion about an overall strategy for using the AMAutomation service nor for submitting articles into article directories.

So my questions concerning each website we build are:

1. How many total sets of articles are recommended to be submitted to the article directories and AMAutomation.com per site?

2. What frequency is recommended for the submission of these articles? (e.g. one spun article every day? one every week? etc.)

3. How long should the submission process continue for each site? For example, let's say with my previous question that the recommendation is to submit 1 spun article per day per site to the article directories and to AMAutomation.com. Should that daily routine continue for a week? A month? A year? Forever? (In other words, do we ever come to a point that there has been enough backlinking effort to drop the article spinning & submission effort for the site and spend our time focused on other site needs?)

The context of my questions above have to do with time management. Mark recommends learning his system, and then reproducing the effort over & over with many monetized websites?

So if a person has only one site, he/she can certainly give it all the time & attention it needs every day and continue focusing on article submissions perhaps endlessly. However, if we are to find the time to build and market site 2, then site 3, and site 4, etc., there is only so much time in the day to continue SEO efforts with site 1? Thus my inquiry about the recommendations?

I hope that all makes sense.

Thank you!

 

[wollowra]

Hi M,
1. Mark mentions in his tutorials that he puts 2 or 3 links to different pages in his articles.
So if you have 1 article that you want to spin on AMA then you can put 3 different page links in the article.
So if you have 30 articles on a site, then you could rewrite 10 articles with 3 links to different pages on your site in each article.

EG: 1 article submitted per 3 pages on your site, you can link to 3 different pages per article that you submit to AMA (a seperate link in the article for each different page)

2. You can do one a day or one a week... that's up to how much time you have as AMA submits to blogs over a period of months.

3. Again, thats up to you... but I would suggest having at least one AMA link to each page on your website.
Other people may do it differently or have a different method to share.

Hope that helps.
Regards
Troy

 

[mfoster7]

Many thanks, Troy!

 

[wollowra]

You're Welcome.
T

 

[tnm1234567]

Hi all, Mark mentions that there is training in the members area for am automation. Can someone tell me where it is? i cant find it.

thanks!

 

[mfoster7]

Hi. If you have a login to Mark's AffiloBlueprint course, he has an AMAutomation video http://www.affilorama.com/affiloblueprint/week-6

The first one simply shows how to reword a web page article to prepare it for AMA (about 33 min.). The second actually shows how to use that reworded content with AMA (about 49 min.).

 

[gripex]

You are done your link buiulding when your chosen keyword and landing page is #1 for your keyword.

 

[gillesjh73]

Here is another to automate your links:
http://vur.me/s/Best-3-Way-Back-Link-Software/

Good luck to you all

 

[leeloo02]

WOW, I elanced out my first set of 20 articles for AMA with proper syntax of 3-5 rewrites (approx.) per sentence, etc. as explained. Requested the first one back as a test, went off without a hitch and WOW!!!

The power of pressing refresh over and over and seeing these awesome different variations! Fantastic.

Don't have my site fully up yet so it is still set in draft mode, just wanted to make sure my elancers are doing the syntax correct.

Sorry if I am not answering questions you originally posted, just wanted to share my enthusiasm for this. Really if you can afford to I wouldn't bother with anything but getting article rewrites done in this format for the future. I plan on ONLY getting rewrites with at least 3 variations of each sentence, I am showing close to 200% uniqueness each refresh, this will be my most powerful off page seo tool I can see now why Mark almost suggests it as a necessarity part of your toolkit.

 

[leeloo02]

It is my understanding that to some extent at least the site automatically will 'trickle' the articles out over time for you. saying to start on a specific date doesn't mean it will for sure (in my understanding) just not before.

So I think you could submit as many as you wanted at once and it will trickle them out anyway. If worried set them to not start with a gap of a few days between them.

 

[leeloo02]

And to answer your further question....

my plan is I am building 2 sites at the moment as I go through this, based on good PLR content as starting point. I have 40 rewrites done now for each of the 2 niches, and 2 sets of five original product reviews done.

Now I am going to be getting both 2 sites in their independent niches up but my focus will be on heavy seo article marketing with the benefit of AMA firstly for the 1st site:

I will do a round myself of each of the 40 rewritten PLR articles - which are then elanced to get AMA sytax ready to plop into AMA version of those 40 articles for my site but with around 3 versions each, so now I will be able to have 40 articles for this site ready for AMA automation unlimited rewrites. But I only need submit the article once to AMA automation really as it spreads them out they will all be rewrites. Then I take each and make 10 for the main article directories (one different version for each) and submit once to each of these.
that is 400 articles I guess submitted to the top directories, plus ama's own network 40.

I intend to do about that for each site I create myself at first. (but elancing out the article creation and working from good PLR to start).
plus solid original product reviews

If a site is doing well (based on watching it for a while and doing some first dabbling in PPC (not there yet) I intend to hire a full time Phillipino for about $400 / month full time once I have enough sites who could continue to use the essentially unlimited ability to take advantage of the articles from AMA automation, submit them to other directories, squidoo, other places, etc. Maybe submit second, third fourth rounds of rewrites to the main article directories..... but that will be at a point when I have enough sites that are proving (or I strongly feel) will be good long term investments to build up seo and page rank etc. get good backlinks, etc.

So that's my plan in terms of how far to take the ama process for good initial benefit before deciding to take it any further.

 

[smpmedia]

Sounds like the one. Just a question...how much did you pay for the 3-5 re writes and did you get them to use http://stafftraining4u.com/spin/index.php software to do this??. Also did you rewrite a article from an origional article from your site?

Cheers for your time

WOW, I elanced out my first set of 20 articles for AMA with proper syntax of 3-5 rewrites (approx.) per sentence, etc. as explained. Requested the first one back as a test, went off without a hitch and WOW!!!

The power of pressing refresh over and over and seeing these awesome different variations! Fantastic.

Don't have my site fully up yet so it is still set in draft mode, just wanted to make sure my elancers are doing the syntax correct.

Sorry if I am not answering questions you originally posted, just wanted to share my enthusiasm for this. Really if you can afford to I wouldn't bother with anything but getting article rewrites done in this format for the future. I plan on ONLY getting rewrites with at least 3 variations of each sentence, I am showing close to 200% uniqueness each refresh, this will be my most powerful off page seo tool I can see now why Mark almost suggests it as a necessarity part of your toolkit.

 

[giparke]

In addition to the posts on this topic, I have a couple of questions:
Do the rewritten articles for article markeeting need to jave the the keywords in place, the way they do in the main article, or does it matter for article submissions?

Also, If I have 10 articles and 3 rewrites per article, should I submit them all at one to AMA and to the other 10 high profile article directories like ezine.com, that Mark mentions in Affiloblueprint, or should I only submit them, once per day/week or what do you suggest?

With AMA, if you submit the 3 rewrites for one article, how many spins does this give you (that has a 50% change in content)? Is there not a danger that AMA will submit the same content to its affiliated sites as you will to the other 10 high profile sites?

regards,
Greg (week6 ABP newbie)

 

[hanstho]

I am also an exited user of AMA, so far I have been doing 4 articles.
I just have 1 problem, when I am clicking on the anchor text in the articles which should link to my pages I get this message: "Non-existent article requested."

Do anybody have an idea what the problem can be and how it can be solved?

 

[kurtw56]

Hi everybody,
I also signed up for AMAutomation. While signing up It turns out you need to have your sight set up to blog, which means you have to change the settings in wordpress from how we were shown to have them in set up. Can anybody explain how this works to me. #1 I'm not interested in blogging. #2 how will this affect my site.
Can someone explain to me in, AMA for idiots terms, how you have to set up your wordpress site to use it and what will you be doing differently with the site to continue to use AMA.
I was also under the impression that,the spun articles will only work through that AMA site.

thanks for any help,

Kurtw

 

[sforsyth]

I can't even find the article spinner guide. Where is it?

 

[wollowra]

Hi Kurt,
AMA is used to get link backs to your site.
You do not need to add it to wordpress.
Unless I am not understanding what you mean?
Kind Regards
Troy

 

[glhyne]

Hi all,
I am assuming that at some point an article that you have written will reach saturation point. That is to say that there are no more relevant Amautomation blog owners left within your niche that have not been presented with a spun version of your article. At that point I would expect the number of times your article is likely to be published to seriously deteriorate. Surely this would be the time to write a new article with links pointing to the same pages?? Am I wrong in thinking this? Also does anyone have any idea how many times the average article gets published before demand for it drops? I know that this will vary on the niche but I am still curious as to other people's experiences.
Thanks in advance,
Greg

 

[veracity]

Hi all,

I have tried to download and view Marc's AMautomation videos, but when I open the html file I get the following error.

The Camtasia Studio video content presented here requires JavaScript to be enabled and the latest version of the Macromedia Flash Player. If you are you using a browser with JavaScript disabled please enable it now. Otherwise, please update your version of the free Flash Player by downloading here.

I have downloaded the latest version of Macromedia Flash and enabled java script, but still no luck. Any suggestions?
Many thanks,
Dan

 

[wollowra]

Hi Dan,
When you download these videos they will come in a .zip file.
You need to unzip them first, Did you do that?
This is one of the most common reasons why you get this error.

If you have unzipped it and it's not working... then uninstall your flash player ( All previous versions ) and install again here.. http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/

Also try another browser ...
Let me know if you get it sorted..

Regards
Troy
:)

 

[kieran]

I have been using AMA for a few weeks now and have got quite a few backlinks from blog sites. I have also used it to get unique versions of my articles for submission to the various article directories such as ezine.

Seems like a great idea, except that I sense that the "better" sites like ezine, Article Dashboard as well as Squidoo and HubPages, have some way of telling that an article is similar to others published through AMA (I have been achieving at least 175% rewrite with AMA). I have been slapped by HubPages and Article Dashboard for lack of unique content.

Also, I have come across advice somewhere in Affilorama (I think in a webinar) that, when submitting a spun article to ezine, you should save it as a draft in AMA until ezine has published your submission, then release the draft for AMA distribution. This seems to confirm my suspicion that ezine, at least, can tell if an article has a "sibling" somewhere else on the internet, and they like to have only unspun work submitted.

Any thoughts anyone?

Kieran

 

[wollowra]

I have found the same thing Kieran,
I just write a completely new article for EZA etc... or as you said.. submit it first and then get it out of the draft folder in AMA. There is not a whole lot you can do about it really.
If you are not a good article writer then you may need to outsource.
It would be good to see if others are having the same issue.

Regards
Troy

 

[franklevy]

Hi. I would really, really like to hear Mark Ling's opinion on this amazing sounding new product. Should we buy this? Check it out at massarticlecontrol.com. Please Mark, could you pass on your opinion to us about it? It sounds like incredible value but I would like to hear your opinion as to whether there is a downside as you are tuned in to the bigger picture better than most! Regards, Frank Levy

 

[MarkLing]

As I mentioned in another post of yours about massarticlecontrol:

In my opinion, this software is terrible.

I pasted in a few sample articles and the so called spun articles are horrible.

Here is an example of an original paragraph:

In spite of the competitive disadvantage that solar energy technologies have right now, the availability of "free" sunlight will remain a driving force behind the development of new ideas that can make solar power more affordable in the future.

After 'spinning' the above paragraph using the software, it gives me this paragraph:

Inside malevolence of the competitive disadvantage with the intention of solar energy technologies be inflicted with aptly currently, the availability of "free" sunlight will wait a driving force behind the development of extra ideas with the intention of can get on to solar power more reasonably priced in the prospect.

My recommendation is to stay away from this software.

Regards,
Mark

 

[franklevy]

Hi Mark thanks for your rapid assessment of Mass Article Control the other day! I can’t leave this alone! People like Chris Carpenter of Google Cash Detective are promoting it like crazy! There is a new development though. Here’s an excerpt from a new email from MAC themselves. Then please read my description of how Adeel manually chooses the synonyms and words to replace because it seems to me it could make a huge difference to the results. Read on…
Subject: [VIDEO] New & IMPROVED Mass Article Control Released...
Hey Frank, We thought we'd create a video showing you the Mass Article Creator software in action... it's already been updated too!! (New Bio Box)
The video shows Adeel loading in a Weight Loss article from EzineArticles.com and the first sentence is: “Are you one of the many who may be tempted by adverts for diet pills and..(blah, blah).. easy, quick ways to lose weight?”
He selects several words just by hovering the cursor over them...words such as “may”, “for” and “easy” and selects synonyms for those selected words revealed by the software from its database. (Which is due for a massive update of new synonyms this week).
Anyway, he manually selects 7 synonyms for “may” 4 synonyms for “for” and 11 synonyms for “easy”. Then he clicks “preview articles” and the software generates 308 articles just by replacing those 3 words with all the combinations and permutations. (7x4x11=308) He goes on to say that all the resulting articles are guaranteed readable.
Provided you manually choose reasonable synonyms, personally I really can’t see why that would not work.
Then he shows how you can just run it to automatically use all the synonyms in the database and that’s when it churns out 1000 articles (displaying the changed text in blue and leaving unchanged text in black) I reckon those are the ones that will be rubbish because many of the synonyms in the database will be inappropriate. Afterwards he actually says the best method is to choose both the words to be replaced and the synonyms manually.

Ok so Mark, forgive me for asking this but when you used the software did you manually choose the synonyms and the words to replace or did you just do what I call the “autochurn” which has simply got to produce mostly garbage or did you test both? Just please answer this and I promise to shutup about Mass Article Control from now on! Thanks again.
Regards,
Frank

 

[mus1402]

Hi Mark, do you have any response to Frank's latest post?

 

[joeleighton]

I have been using AMA for a few weeks now and have got quite a few backlinks from blog sites. I have also used it to get unique versions of my articles for submission to the various article directories such as ezine.

Seems like a great idea, except that I sense that the "better" sites like ezine, Article Dashboard as well as Squidoo and HubPages, have some way of telling that an article is similar to others published through AMA (I have been achieving at least 175% rewrite with AMA). I have been slapped by HubPages and Article Dashboard for lack of unique content.

Also, I have come across advice somewhere in Affilorama (I think in a webinar) that, when submitting a spun article to ezine, you should save it as a draft in AMA until ezine has published your submission, then release the draft for AMA distribution. This seems to confirm my suspicion that ezine, at least, can tell if an article has a "sibling" somewhere else on the internet, and they like to have only unspun work submitted.

Any thoughts anyone?

Kieran

I have found the same thing Kieran,
I just write a completely new article for EZA etc... or as you said.. submit it first and then get it out of the draft folder in AMA. There is not a whole lot you can do about it really.
If you are not a good article writer then you may need to outsource.
It would be good to see if others are having the same issue.

Regards
Troy

A bit confusing. Mark mentioned in his presentation to the US workshop (the one given away with his SEO ebook) that AMA could be used to spin & post articles to sites outside the AMA system.

Seems to me that once a spun articles hits the web, any attempt to post a "sibling" to EZA, Squidoo, etc. will be flagged as duplicate.

Anyone have any different views on this?

Thanks, Joe

 

[jpastorizo]

Hey Joe,

EZA has a very good software that scans the internet for dup content and we all know that. Their software is so good I hate it. LOL

Anyway, based on my experience if you do at least 3 versions for each of your articles then you can get away having that approved in EZA even if you submitted it to other sites. Something like this format: http://www.pastorizo.com/downloads/allx3.pdf



Regards,
Renato
PS Happy Thanksgiving to fellow members who are in the U.S.!

 

[joeleighton]

Renato...Was intending to post a AMA spun article to EZA this morning.

It had run on AMA for about a week and had been published 11 times. It was 540 words in all x 3 format considered 250% original by AMA.

Ran it thru copyscape as a check. Copyscape found one of my auto posted articles & said we had over 300 words in common.

Respun the article 3-4 times & ran each thru copyscape...every time with similar results.

I assumed there was no chance getting it thru on EZA.

Thoughts?

Thanks, Joe

 

[giparke]

Hi all, in my experience I too have been slapped by Ezine, Hubpages and others. It is best to submit to Ezine first, and get the confirmation that it posted, theh submit a respun version to hub pages, squidoo etc, but ensure that AMA has not be published yet. After you publish a respun article to all the better article directories, then wait a couple of days and publish your AMA artilce. You will get a better acceptance rate this way.

 

[jmpruitt]

That is true giparke. submit to all the places that check for duplicate content first. another option I use is to rearange a couple of paragraphs when you submit to those sites.

Usually when i submit my articles, I write 3 for each page on my site. spin all 3 articles and submit them to directories, web2.0 sites, free blog sites, etc...

Also find blog owners within the niche that are not on AmA and ask if you can guest post on their blog. You can submit the articles to them as well.

take 5-10 of your articles that are on similar topics and put together a report for your opt-ins. you can post those on free report/ ebook sites for others to use for their optins as well. include your website url and a brief about the author bio sending even more traffic to your site.

You can also use your spun articles to fill your autoresponder with unique content.

Just some additional tips that you can use with your spun articles hope it helps.

 

[scottjc]

Hello,
I would like to hear from some people who have used the following products and services:

AM Automation
Unique Article Wizard
Rapid Rewriter
The Best Spinner

I have Never used Any of them but I am planning on it soon. I have been researching each of these and am trying to decide ahead of time if possible how to best go about this.
I have a few questions:
I'm sure AM Automation and Unique Article Wizard are great - I just need to know if anyone thinks there would ever be a need for a product like Rapid Rewriter or The Best Spinner if you have a membership to AMA or UAW. Don't both services come with all the tools you would need to spin and format all your articles?
Why would you ever need a Rewriter or Spinner product if AMA and UAW already supply tools that will do all the things you need?

Rapid Rewriter
To me, the most interesting and Unique feature of Rapid Rewriter is the Make Optional feature. I understand it gives you the ability to leave out a sentence or a paragraph and this may be important to make your articles more unique than they would be otherwise so that your articles don't always have the exact same number of sentences and paragraphs.
I can see how you might want this feature but I guess you would not be able to use this feature in a totally automated fashion with AMA and UAW because I don't believe their systems do this. So, I guess you could submit many different unique articles with different sentence and paragraph counts separately but it seems to me you could just do it manually by deleting a sentence or a paragraph before you submit it. So, again why would you need a product like Rapid Rewriter unless you were Not using a service like AMA or UAW.

The Best Spinner
To me, the most interesting and unique feature to The Best Spinner is the one click replace with all Favorites feature.
One click and it's 30-40% unique. I don't know how good the quality and readability would be although I have heard good things. It might save some time but that may not be enough of a justification for using this product in addition to AMA and UAW.

This is what I have come up with without actually using Any of these 4 things. I know they are all good. I just need to know if anyone thinks that there is any reason why you would need or want to use Rapid Rewriter and/or The Best Spinner With AMA or UAW.

Scott

 

[rox]

Hi All, I use AMA and I have submitted an article to Ezine Articles after runnning it on AMA for over 3 weeks. After that I have done that on 2 other occasions. Also went through without a problem on article dashboard and go articles. I think the key is in how you have rewritten your article. When writting articles in AMA most people just replace words with synonyms. I do multiple versions of each sentence and change the sentence structure altogether while making sure it still means the same thing. while it takes more time to do that, it gives me 97%+ approval rate in AMA and I think this is also the reason why my articles got approved in EZA without a hassel. I just copy pasted a spun version and removed the links from the body.. is all.

 

[jmpruitt]

I had an 98% acceptance rate at ama over 8 months of using it. personally i found faster and cheaper ways to get links that are higher quality than some crappy blogs with no pr, no traffic, and often never even indexed by google.

I do use Rapid rewriter, and use the optional paragraph feature regularly. it helps keep my content fresh and unique. I dont use any mass submission software because high quality sites wont allow mass submissions, and the sites in the mass software are not worth wasting time on.

Blog networks can be effective if you can afford to keep posting over a long period of time, but you have to add a lot of articles every month in order to keep up your rankings, and replace the links that disapear rather quickly.

That has been my experience. I know Mark and some others disagree with me on it, but my experience with it was that it wasn't a good value for my money or the hours of time invested.

 

[rox]

I had an 98% acceptance rate at ama over 8 months of using it. personally i found faster and cheaper ways to get links that are higher quality than some crappy blogs with no pr, no traffic, and often never even indexed by google.

you're right... most blogs are low to n/a pr blogs. but it does send our links out in an organic manner. what other methods do you use that get you better quality links with less effort?

 

[jmpruitt]

I still use blogs just not blog networks whith low quality blogs. I get better results from 5 guest posts on popular blogs than from submitting 10 articles / month to a blog network.

also, I hire a link building servic that will submit my articles to sites that get traffic, give me more links that AmA, and costs me a lot less for the number of links I get.

 

[tonnrak]

Can anyone compare AMAutomation VS SEO LinkVine, please?

I can afford only 1 service, so please advice me on this

Regards,
TonnRak

 

[michellerana]

Both AMA and SEO LinkVine have positive reviews and are recommended by Mark.

A member has tested both and posted the results on this thread: Do you recommend Brad Callen's SEO LinkVine?

 

[theflyer]

Hey all, I have a VERY limited budget and was curious, if I submit my articles on AMA and then cancel my subscription, will they go away? Does it also effect the trickle effect if I cancel my subscription close to the day I submitted them?

Thank you everyone!

 

[jmpruitt]

it takes ama apx 3 months to submit 1 article, and the strenght with using them is doing alot of submissions. so if you are on a limited budget, I would recommend outsourcing it. there are several people who will do a submission for you pretty cheap, saving you the monthly fee, and still getting the benefit. one of my favs to use is http://www.thearticlemarketingcenter.com/ (no affiliate, just a happy customer)

 

[kakaboo]

it takes ama apx 3 months to submit 1 article, and the strenght with using them is doing alot of submissions. so if you are on a limited budget, I would recommend outsourcing it. there are several people who will do a submission for you pretty cheap, saving you the monthly fee, and still getting the benefit. one of my favs to use is http://www.thearticlemarketingcenter.com/ (no affiliate, just a happy customer)

You could try fiverr too there are people who will submit your articles for you to UAW/AMA for just 5 bucks provided you provide them with the article(spun one) :)

 

[jmpruitt]

yep, you can find a lot of ways to outsource. I like the article marketing center because she does the article spins it and submits. I am getting bout 2k links for each submission she does. It cost me $300 to basically turn over 2 of my jetpack sites for her to build links to. I couldn't have hired freelancers to do all that for the price. basically, all I had to do was rewrite the articles and put the site together. send her the project, and go on to the next one.

OF the two sites I gave her a month ago, about 30% of the pages are starting to show up in the top 2 pages in google. knowing that alot of those articles are drip fed over time, by next month, I expect those sites to be up on page 1, and I havent built any links to them myself.

 

[kakaboo]

How do you maximize the use of her package? I know that she allows up to 6 URLS and 6 keywords for the smallest package... or you buy 1 package for each keyword you are trying to rank for?

yep, you can find a lot of ways to outsource. I like the article marketing center because she does the article spins it and submits. I am getting bout 2k links for each submission she does. It cost me $300 to basically turn over 2 of my jetpack sites for her to build links to. I couldn't have hired freelancers to do all that for the price. basically, all I had to do was rewrite the articles and put the site together. send her the project, and go on to the next one.

OF the two sites I gave her a month ago, about 30% of the pages are starting to show up in the top 2 pages in google. knowing that alot of those articles are drip fed over time, by next month, I expect those sites to be up on page 1, and I havent built any links to them myself.

 

[esolutions]

Thanks a ton James for the recommendation!

 

[RCormack]

I have to agree. I used it over a number of months in 2009 and it supposedly submitted hundreds of articles to blogs but none of them are ever found by Traffic Travis and have not contributed to ranking my sites. I can never understand why Mark recommends it so highly.

 

[jmpruitt]

Kakaboo, I buy 2 of the large packages to do 1 AB style 30 page site. I will also use some of the links to link to Hubpages and Squidoo lenses, so that I get more link juice going.

I also do some of my own article submissions using article marketing robot, and other things as well. I do a lot of social bookmarking, and when I start getting pingbacks, I will bookmark some of those as well, as long as they read well (which the ones I have submitted to her have been pretty good so far. )

 

[SirMatts]

I have to agree with James here about both AMR and Blog Networks. I think when you go for these type of services you should think about what it is and what it does. In my personal opinion there is some major flaws with at least all those Blog Networks I have seen. First question you should consider is, Have you ever seen somebody that owns a blog that have 100 posts and not a single picture besides the header, would you enjoy reading it?. Is such a blog brining a quality experience to internet or is it spam? All it takes for a search engine bot is to search for <img> tag and count them in order to discover what it is.

Now I dont know exactly what googlebot has for type of spam measurements but, at least has Matt Cutts said that they do somewhat devaluate links that comes from the footer. Which should indicate they know about html positions in the content too not only the content it self. That could indicate that there is a problem with same links pointing from same place out of the content to same pages from posts. And then its quality of content measurements that I have not seen anything of yet...

However some people do swear by these blog networks I am not one of them... I have heard about some blog networks that have auto bookmarking functionality and you can also add pictures those could have some potential. And Finally AMR has to be one of my best investments ever :)

 

[Centered]

yep, you can find a lot of ways to outsource. I like the article marketing center because she does the article spins it and submits. I am getting bout 2k links for each submission she does. It cost me $300 to basically turn over 2 of my jetpack sites for her to build links to. I couldn't have hired freelancers to do all that for the price. basically, all I had to do was rewrite the articles and put the site together. send her the project, and go on to the next one.

OF the two sites I gave her a month ago, about 30% of the pages are starting to show up in the top 2 pages in google. knowing that alot of those articles are drip fed over time, by next month, I expect those sites to be up on page 1, and I havent built any links to them myself.

From what I've learned that one will have a problem if he gets dozens of backlinks to an article in a period of a few days/weeks as that would look unnatural to search engines and his site might get penalized. How is article marketing center dealing with this?
Thank you.

 

[kakaboo]

From what I've learned that one will have a problem if he gets dozens of backlinks to an article in a period of a few days/weeks as that would look unnatural to search engines and his site might get penalized. How is article marketing center dealing with this?
Thank you.

The article marketing center don't get your backlinks in just a few days, the whole thing is spread over a span of 2-3 months, and she submits to different directories and networks every week.

 

[jmpruitt]

Hey Centered, the problem with building links too fast isnt when you do a few dozen a day. Where it becomes a problem is when you try to do hundreds or thousands / day. The articles in AMA and the other networks are distributed over time.

Also, you need to realize that althought the articles are submitted, it still takes time for Google to index all those articles. That can take an aditional 3-4 weeks, so using a service like ama can take 4-5 months of consistent distribution before you really start seeing a lot of results.

Again, this is only a minor part of my overalll link building strategy with most of my sites. I only have one site that am using just this service, and that is because I am using it to test how effective it is specifically, and other link building methods would skew the results.

 

[Ranae1287]

I had an 98% acceptance rate at ama over 8 months of using it. personally i found faster and cheaper ways to get links that are higher quality than some crappy blogs with no pr, no traffic, and often never even indexed by google.

I do use Rapid rewriter, and use the optional paragraph feature regularly. it helps keep my content fresh and unique. I dont use any mass submission software because high quality sites wont allow mass submissions, and the sites in the mass software are not worth wasting time on.

Blog networks can be effective if you can afford to keep posting over a long period of time, but you have to add a lot of articles every month in order to keep up your rankings, and replace the links that disapear rather quickly.

That has been my experience. I know Mark and some others disagree with me on it, but my experience with it was that it wasn't a good value for my money or the hours of time invested.

Errmm...i think currently contextual backlinks are the most powerful form of backlinks. No matter how crappy the backlinks are from ArticleMarketingAutomation...they are still better than most backlinks out there.

I gotten the best results from posting to blog networks..

 

[jmpruitt]

UMM well, i guess if you trust the fake seo experts who tell you what they think works so they can rip you off and steal your money go a head. blog networks are largely a waste of time. I can write 5 articles post them on real blogs and get higher rankings AND more traffic without relying on seo than by spinning relentlessly and wasting time and money on AMA. I have tested it several times now, and I have sites that I have completely outsourced to someone using AMA, but honestly., I find easier and cheaper ways to get better traffic , faster.

 

[Jim555]

Kakaboo, I buy 2 of the large packages to do 1 AB style 30 page site. I will also use some of the links to link to Hubpages and Squidoo lenses, so that I get more link juice going.

I also do some of my own article submissions using article marketing robot, and other things as well. I do a lot of social bookmarking, and when I start getting pingbacks, I will bookmark some of those as well, as long as they read well (which the ones I have submitted to her have been pretty good so far. )

You advised you buy 2 of the large packages which of these packages are you referring to? She has 5 options on the Buy a Package Page on her site:

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The Article Marketing Center
Let us take care of all your article distribution and promotional needs.
Do you want more traffic, better search engine rankings, and more sales? Are you spending all your time using promotion methods that don’t work? Then I think you’ll be very interested in our article distribution services.
Buy a Package

Buy 1 Package with up to 6 URL’s and Keywords:

This package is just $40. You’ll get 1 article submission that will promote up to 6 URL’s and keywords.




Buy 2 Packages with up to 6 URL’s and Keywords per Submission:

This package is just $77. You’ll get 2 article submissions that will promote up to 6 URL’s and keywords per submission.




Buy 3 Packages with up to 6 URL’s and Keywords per Submission:

This package is just $112. Buy 3 Packages and get 3 article submissions that will promote up to 6 URL’s and keywords per submission.




Buy 5 Packages with up to 6 URL’s and Keywords per Submission:

This package is just $170. Buy 5 Packages and get 5 article submissions that will promote up to 6 URL’s and keywords per submission.




Buy 10 Packages with up to 6 URL’s and Keywords per Submission:

This package is just $320. Buy 10 Packages and get 10 article submissions that will promote up to 6 URL’s and keywords per submission.

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Do you mean the package for $320? That looks like it would be good for an AB style site with 30 pgs. Or do you mean that you actually buy two of the $320 packages for one site? I was thinking one should be enough for one site and wanted clarification. Any help here would be appreciated. I am newly out of work and need to get my site generating income asap. I have been researching Link building tools like AMAutomation here http://articlesubmissionreview.com/ and it gets quite confusing for a newbie who just wants to get rankings and income coming in. From what you described in your earlier post about 'The Article Marketing Center' it sounds like you are able to get good rankings simply from using it.

 

[Jim555]

If anyone happened to read my post and was wondering the same thing I was, I believe I have figured it out myself. A good package for a Affilo Blueprint type site would be the 5 package package..(say that 10 times in a row.) This would give you enough for 30 urls or 30 pages. I value jmpruitt's input on this and plan to try it. If this works as well as advised it is a very good deal if you price compare to say using amautomation and unique article wizard and doing this on your own. Since she will write the articles for you and do all the submissions for you. This will allow me to move onto my next jetpack quicker so that I can build up revenue streams from the websites quicker...or at least that is my hope :)

 

[Lil0]

Hi, I have a very basic article writing question and wasn't sure where to post it. What tools are out there for word count? I'm aiming for articles that have 300 to 450 words and I know I shouldn't have to count those words myself. What tools do your recomment? i.e. free tools!!

 

[heavysm]

Word count tool:
http://www.wisgary.com/programs/wordcount.aspx

I have outsourced most of my linkbuilding for my sites. I see no point creating articles, spending hours to spin them then submitting them to some type of network. I did this for like 5 months spending loads of money for AMA, UAW, and a number of other networks.

Even if you have little money save it up to outsource rather than do manual submissions. I did manual submissions for about 5 months and saw little to no improvement in rankings. Once i spent an equal if not slightly less amount on outsourcing i saw gradual improvement over about two months. If you have all the time in the world and can deal with improved rankings over a great length of time then paying for networks is fine. If I write an article now it is for a high page rank site as a comment or a guest post.

Of my entire link plan i only do my place my own edu and gov links which cannot be outsourced cheaply. Its takes about 2-3 months to rank for "difficult" keywords in traffic travis. Dont think this cant be done, i have done it. My next project is to attack an extremely difficult keyword. This will take about a year or more on a self linked system without any outsourcing. It just takes a bit of digging to find good services. One of the services i use is already posted on this thread.

 

[jarded85]

HI heavysm,

I've just signed up for AMAutomation and it looks like all the good advice here advices contrary to that, from a return-on-investment point of view. Would you happen to have a recommended source of linkbuilding, similar to what jmpruitt suggested? Its a really fascinating topic, and I'm hoping to learn more about it.

 

[jmpruitt]

Hey, sorry I didnt get back to this thread earlier.

she just added the 10 submission pack to the offer, after I posted this thread. I use the 5 submission pack to do the jetpack sites.

I also just did the 10 submission pack for my blogs, 60 urls gets all my money pages and a lot of my blog posts. I also threw in a few links to another site at the same time.

Unfortunately, due to several of us recommending her services a lot here, she is running about a month behind right now on new projects.

jarded, which method, I discussed several. if you are looking for the guest posting I talked about on real blogs instead of the low quality blogs that are only good for cheap backlinks, then you can check out my blog in my sig file. I talk a bit a bout guest posting, and have several posts about how I find blogs to guest post on.

It also depends on your niche. not all niches have any good blogs to post on. in my opinion, that is a great opportunity to start one. you could quickly become the goto site for information.

 

[kieran]

Just picking up on Lil0's request about word counting on 28th January (sorry, I've been busy moving from the UK to Madeira over the last few months!). My MS Word 2010 has an automatic word count in the bottom left corner of the page. If you want the count for just a part of the text you can highlight it and go to Review/Word Count. It also does some fancy things with character numbers with and without spaces, paragraphs, etc, but I tend not to need these.

So MS Word 2010 is your answer!

Kieran

 

[kieran]

Picking up on the general thread about the value, or otherwise, of AMA. I have been using AMA for about 18 months now and have tended to get on with article marketing and spinning, and leaving the backlinks generation to AMA. Taking a closer look, however, I see that of those backlinks about 90% have come from my own blogs on the Affilorama forum, about 8% from ezines and one or two other article directories that I have published on, and the (very small) remainder from odd sites that AMA has found.

Yes, I should have seen this sooner and done something about it. But, looking back at these statistics now, it is hard to see where the value of AMA lies. I think that James Pruitt is right, and that it is time to quit AMA.

 

[rivihe]

I have quit AMA with the new Panda update. I don't think it is worth the money you pay - you can get full link building services on the warrior forum for 10 dollars cheaper than AMA. Admittedly I have tried them, but I"M SURE you get better ranking results with them. If google is trying to get rid of content farms - why pay money to be in one?

 

[bizbop]

I have quit AMA with the new Panda update. I don't think it is worth the money you pay - you can get full link building services on the warrior forum for 10 dollars cheaper than AMA. Admittedly I have tried them, but I"M SURE you get better ranking results with them. If google is trying to get rid of content farms - why pay money to be in one?

This is why it will be great to see that update to Affiloblueprint as some of the stuff just flat out doesn't work anymore. $67 (current price of AMA) smackers for low quality links such as what is given in AMA is just ridiculous advice to give to anyone. Heck you can go on to Fiverr and pay $15 bucks and get way more low quality backlinks to your site than AMA lol. And just as you say you can buy all of your link wheels, pushes, pyramids and whatever else for about the same cost per month.

There was a time when I found AMA to be of high value and I must say that I have not used the service for quite some time now and it may have changed.

If you are set on using a blog network like AMA there are cheaper alternatives like ALN, FTS and AR.

 

[paulie69]

Don't waste your time with AMA. All it does is provide a few crappy low-pr links. It's benefit is totally debateable.

I'm fully going to buy AB 3.0 but not if it relies on - or spouts benefits of using AMA. Because there are none.

I used AMA for quite some time and learnt to use it very well, too. The contempt and ignorance their support "system" gave me was amazing. I've never been treated so badly re a product's support.

 

[rivihe]

Honestly don't waste your time and money with AMA. I went through affiloblueprint and it is heavily recommended in there. I submitted a lot of articles than were accepted at about a 90% rate. Didn't see any rankings improve - handed over my link building to someone for $10 dollars cheaper per month than AMA and the results were seen in the first month. AMA 6 months no results, bout 400 dollars vs 57 dollars, 1 month real results.

Affilioblueprint - most of the stuff is on track, but in my view it is completely wrong recommending AMA. I would go on to say that it puts a 'stink' around the whole course by having it in there. I would hope that Mark and his great staff recommended something else

Trying to help Newbies here and I don't think spending time on AMA will help anyone starting out. It has a very bad support section that does not help the also

 

[gradyp]

Well, at the time the AB was originally written, AMA did actually have more of a benefit, but changes at Google (and others) over time have weakened the effect of AMA and similar sites.

 

[paulie69]

No disrespect intended gradyp,

But the problem with AMA has been ALWAYS two things. Firstly, the pathetic service since day one. Just read around on the net - as well as this forum to see the majority of disgruntled comments about it.

Second, I always fail to see how AMA's links have EVER been any good as most if not all are from low quality blogs - which let's face it - have never been worth the trouble let alone 50 bucks a month.

I do not see that Googles changes have anything do to whatsoever with the above. It's things like AMA that help to give the affiliate marketing world a bad name.

 

[gradyp]

Oh, I agree that there has a been a lot of problems with AMA. But at the same time, 3 to 4 years ago, number of links to the site was one metric that was more heavily emphasized and the "quality" less so (and I don't mean PR by "quality), so sites like AMA flourished. (AMA is just one of many similar services I've heard problems about.)

I know in the past that Mark has said their sites did help him. And I think they have some connection to Mark as students or friends or something, which could have played into it some.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to defend AMA. I don't really use them myself, in part because of those very issues you are talking about (but also do to other reasons). It is in part because of services like AMA that provided such low content in the past that Google has learned to adjust the weight it places on the volume of links as well as balance it out with other factors. It's just the type of low quality "content farm" that Google may have been trying to weed out earlier this year.

 

[nbguy]

I was using AMA but my budget is so tight right now that monthly fees is just something that I prefer to avoid for now.

But I'm considering relying more heavily on submitting articles on articles directories and I borrowed a few tips from some of you guys about it, and I intend to test them. Thank you for that.

And also I was thinking about using a software like Rapid rewriter beside outsourcing to help me write and re-write my articles.

Always in the learning process.

Thank you all for being there.

 

[michellerana]

Rapid rewriter have received positive reviews from Affilorama members :)

Rapid Rewriter vs Best Spinner

Rapid Rewriter vs AMA

Article Spinning Software

 

[newstart]

Rapid Rewriter is an excellent product. However, its limitation is the USER. It takes time and quite a few articles spun before you learn the techniques to creating spun articles that read well.

The basic problem I find most first time users of Rapid Rewriter perform are writing sentences that include information that has been or will be stated in a future sentence. It is important to write sentences that have the same meaning without adding additional information. This way when Rapid Rewriter spins the articles the sentences fit together properly.

An added benefit of Rapid Rewriter is that it can be customized to the USER. The thesaurus is an excellent example. The base thesaurus is minimal however over time you can add to the thesaurus making revisions easier along with providing better rewritten copy options.

Article Marketing Automation has improved over the past year or so. Their customer support has greatly improved. Actually in the beginning their service support was nearly non existent.

The links that are produced by AMA's service are usually zero page ranked blogs. These backlinks are not that beneficial however a backlink is still a link. If you can afford the monthly service fee along with having a high number of spin articles on the site the cost of the backlinks is quite minimal.

As to the base question that started this thread. How can you keep up with SEO when you want to create three, four, five or more websites? The only answer I have to this situation is to outsource as much of the work that you can. Keep a active eye on your assistants so that you can maintain the site's quality.

Margene Smith

 

[mxdzieg]

I personally use The article marketing center by Linda Bruton. She writes, spins and submits articles to many, many places such as AMA. It's just one those outsourcing things you have to do if you don't want to waste too much time in front of computer trying to get rankings and traffic.

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[newstart]

I find that the use of Copyscape is very beneficial to insuring that inadvertent plagarism has not occurred. As an avid reader word phrases will often stick in my mind causing me to repeat verbatim the phrase in things that I write. By using Copyscape I can test the article insuring there is not a duplicate available over the internet.

Copyscape works well in checking the articles of virtual assistants prior to paying for the completed article. This added insurance creates a peace of mind knowing that the information placed on our websites are unique.

Margene

 

[sam2]

Sounds like the one. Just a question...how much did you pay for the 3-5 re writes and did you get them to use p software to do this??. Also did you rewrite a article from an origional article from your site?

Cheers for your time

I wonder the way you put your query on writing rather than requesting some automated content creation.Thanks

 

[onlycubs]

You are done your link buiulding when your chosen keyword and landing page is #1 for your keyword.

 

[camilla]

so picking up on all of this, if outsourcing, who would you recommend for back links, article submissions, etc?

 

[newstart]

I disagree on "Onlycubs" statement that after your site is ranking in position #1 for its keyword that that keyword no longer needs SEO work performed. I have found that if I stop my SEO program on any keyword that keyword will drop it standings over time. To avoid this I monitor the performance of the keywords regularly plus maintain continual activity of article submissions as well as building backlinks on social or forum sites.

As to Camillia's question on outsourcing tedious labor I have found the best solution of me has been to hire VA's. I do NOT attempt to hire the people offering services at the lowest fee. I want quality which usually requires a level of expertise that is not found at the lowest price levels.

I also use Camtasia to create training videos for the VA's. The video shows the VA exactly what and how I want their services to be performed. Also, the videos provide the VA with an ability to re-analyze the training to determine exactly what is to be performed keeping their actions in line with what I need.

Margene

 

[jacksonlin]

You can also "reuse" the AMA articles by submitting them to other blog networks like:

Article Ranks
Unique Article Wizard
Traffic Kaboom

That should amplify your results.

 

[har444har]

For spinning, Magic rewriter using Magic tokens is also worth trying.